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Posted by chief chicken in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 22:23:53
Don't be negative - think positive!!

Posted by chief chicken in About the girls on 2010-09-07 22:22:07
I'm here too! :)

Posted by Red in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 22:16:43
Haha, it'd be irreversible! It's really good actually, Animal Care pay for her to be spayed, and to have her second vaccinations done. I thought that was brilliant, especially because they only asked for a £60 'donation' for her.

Posted by Red in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 22:14:35
Pfft, I doubt that very much :)

Posted by Red in About the girls on 2010-09-07 22:12:46
Haha! Yeah, I rarely meet people online at the same time as me :)

Posted by Kateb in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 22:11:26
Ah yes, hadn't thought of that! Shame we can't use the same logic on our kids ...! (Only joking! I wouldn't have my wonderful grandkids if I'd done that!)

Posted by Red in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 22:09:49
She needs to be spayed first, and has to be 16 weeks old before there's a chance that can happen, although the vet said if she was still on the small side they might have to wait longer.

Posted by Kateb in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 22:09:24
I hope he does. We could all say we knew a famous author then!

Posted by Kateb in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 22:07:11
Good news all round then Red! When are you going to let her out?

Posted by Red in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 22:06:16
Posted By: KatebA story about what Red? Is it Uni work? No it's just another story I'm writing. I've written stories all my life, but the ones I finish I'm always too chicken to send them off to try and get them published! Lyle is the first ever person I've let read my stories even! If I get this one finished, I might try and get Lyle to persuade me to send it off

Posted by Kateb in About the girls on 2010-09-07 22:05:37
I do sympathise with them Red and hope its all over soon. Its rare to see anyone else on the forum at this time of night Red, nice to have some company!!

Posted by Kateb in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 22:04:20
A story about what Red? Is it Uni work? Maybe the kids round your parts just can't read Ollie ... ! (seems none of them can spell nowadays!) Wish I'd thought of that CC - much quicker solution!

Posted by Red in About the girls on 2010-09-07 22:04:14
Feel like I am stalking you around the forum Kate ;) Mum says it's especially annoying because they have to go out the front door, down the outdoor steps to the bottom door, in through the kitchen to make tea and, when the food's ready, carry all the food and drinks out the bottom door, up the steps and through the front!!

Posted by Red in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 22:02:27
Haha! She can't wait to get outside, Nelly. She sits on the windowsill and watches the trees blow in the wind, and tries to catch flies and stuff that fly past the window. She's such a changed cat now, such a brave and friendly little thing :) Her mum has finally got a new home, too, which is sweet.

Posted by Kateb in About the girls on 2010-09-07 22:01:57
I really feel for them - I think the builders do it deliberately so that you appreciate their final efforts that bit more!

Posted by Red in About the girls on 2010-09-07 22:00:46
Haha, I have no idea! All I know is the house is apparently a right mess, so I am glad I'm not living there!

Posted by Kateb in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 22:00:40
I bet her personality will more than make up for it! I used to work with a lady who's cat was the size of a 4 or 5 month old kitten. Never grew any bigger. She said it was unbelievable to watch it try to drag a huge fat pigeon it had caught (that was bigger than she was) through the cat flap!

Posted by Red in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 21:59:49
three bests: Was fab to see my parents in Settle the other day, and my dad's knees are a lot better now and he can actually walk again! Lyle's mum baked me some awesome vegan buns for when me and Lyle got back from camping :) And I typed so much of a story this evening, and think it's back on track! I got a bit of a writers' block and had to delete half a page or so, but it's there again now! Twenty-seven A4 pages long so far, so it's getting there

Posted by Red in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 21:55:58
She is gorgeous. She's gonna be a small cat though we think; her mum was small, and compared to other kittens at Animal Care who are the same age, she is tiny!

Posted by Kateb in About the girls on 2010-09-07 21:55:06
Must be bloomin' big to take this long - or is it one poor lone builder with no one to help?!!

Posted by Kateb in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 21:48:24
Everything deserves a forever home Lee! She's grown a lot Red! She'll be a cat soon!!

Posted by leevaux in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 18:59:02
It will work Kate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by leevaux in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 18:50:22
Yes Kate it does have a forever we love it!!!!!

Posted by leevaux in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 18:48:33
Lovely Pictures Red she is very cute!!!

Posted by chief chicken in Carrots and Bananas, what's your rant for the day? on 2010-09-07 17:06:24
Poxy technology; it can't be trusted...and now we won't see the pics. :( Ah well, you'll just have to go again!

Posted by chief chicken in The Weather thread - what's the weather like with you? on 2010-09-07 17:04:46
God waited until I was halfway round the market, a long way from my car, then emptied his paddling pool all over me...:(

Posted by chief chicken in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 17:02:49
Posted By: KatebDon't want to say too much as the messages are open to all to read, but my boss has put me on course for a solution to the football fears. Fingers crossed it will work HOORAY! LANDMINES!!!

Posted by chief chicken in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 17:00:04
She's already grown!

Posted by Red in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 14:50:47
Couldn't resist taking some more

Posted by Red in About the girls on 2010-09-07 14:27:42
They're getting two rooms done (one big one) and the hallway & stairs...

Posted by Red in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-07 14:25:08
I missed my baby kitten whilst camping, so here are some pics of her snuggling next to me :)

Posted by ollie in UK in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-07 11:24:43
All the small grassed verge areas on my estate have "No Ball Games" signs. They don't make much difference though. Maybe 'cos no one complains...

Posted by Trevs Mum in Nanny Norths photos on 2010-09-07 07:51:38
Thanks to Ollie I am now much more gnome-egable about gnomes. Brian hates them and I keep threatening to buy him one for Christmas.

Posted by Trevs Mum in Arts and Crafts - show off your work here! on 2010-09-07 07:34:54
Kate mixed families can sure be difficult, it is so hard to find balance, someone always seems to miss out.

Posted by Kateb in About the girls on 2010-09-06 23:39:00
How long is your building work going to take Neil? Are you sure you're not having a whole new house built?!

Posted by Kateb in Carrots and Bananas, what's your rant for the day? on 2010-09-06 21:50:36
Oh that's awful, I'm so sorry Red. You'll have to go back and do it all over again to get the photos back. (Good excuse for another camping trip!) You will have to talk about it a lot so that you can keep the memories alive.

Posted by Kateb in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-06 21:48:24
Don't want to say too much as the messages are open to all to read, but my boss has put me on course for a solution to the football fears. Fingers crossed it will work!

Posted by Kateb in The best thing that has happened to you today. on 2010-09-06 21:46:42
Thanks everyone, I'm sure their worries will fade with time. I see the train of thought there Ollie. I am surprised that the midwife didn't suggest propping him on his side as an alternative, but maybe she thought keeping him in a chair would help. That is also something I was told to do when mine were babies. The old suggestions are always the best!!

Posted by Kateb in Post Yer Pics! on 2010-09-06 21:41:40
It'll be fascinating to see it when you've finished it Lee. I assume it has a 'forever' home with you - can't see there being much market for it ... or am I wrong?! (no offence!!)

Posted by Kateb in The Weather thread - what's the weather like with you? on 2010-09-06 21:37:16
LIkewise here NN. I think its having a break now, but hubby reckons they've forecast heavy rain all night.

Posted by Kateb in About the girls on 2010-09-06 21:35:57
Perhaps they were trying to hatch it!!!!! Another one to add for the winter - a good film on the TV.

Posted by leevaux in Carrots and Bananas, what's your rant for the day? on 2010-09-06 19:28:40
Oh No Red!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats horrific!!!!!!

Posted by nanny north in About the girls on 2010-09-06 19:07:26
oh it is alright now they must have been right on top of it before.

Posted by Red in Bill and Ben on 2010-09-06 19:05:14
Posted By: chief chickenA man hears a knock at the door and answers it to find a snail on his doorstep. He picks it up and throws it down the garden. A year later there's another knock on the door. It's the snail. 'What did you do that for?' he asked. My dad used to tell me that when I was a little chiddler...

Posted by nanny north in HERE I AM - WHERE ARE YOU? on 2010-09-06 19:04:54
So did you have a good time camping Red?

tips on keeping hens

Getting rid of the dreaded red-mite


posted by Neil, 25 August 2010, 3:23pm

Red Mites are horrible little mites that live in the tiny cracks in the wood of your coop (or in felt roofs).

At night they come out and feast on the blood of your chickens. Very soon the population will increase massively and as more blood is taken from your chickens, they stop laying, become depressed, and can eventually die.

The test for red mite is usually running your hands under the perches in your coop in a morning - if you have tiny brown or red smears then that's the your chicken's blood from the mites' feasting.

You can treat it with pesticide but they are notoriously hard to eradicate this way.

Jeyes Fluid will kill them, but again it's hard to completely treat the whole coop.

DE earth is made up of very fine crystals which cut the outer shell of the mite and kills them mechanically rather than chemically, so mites cannot become immune to it. They literally dry out and die.

If you have DE earth, you just sprinkle it everywhere in the nest boxes, sleeping areas, even the coop floor. It's safe for hens to eat so don't worry about it if they get some on themselves (it's a good idea to add some to their dust bathing area). Some care has to be taken not to breathe in the dust as it can cause respiratory problems though.

An easy way to treat the inside of your coop safely is to use a spray solution like Poultry Shield - it's cheap and easy to use and very effective.

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Clipping a chickens wings


posted by Neil, 11 April 2008, 7:36am

Clipping a hens wings is often done to prevent them from flying off, but first you should make sure that you actually need to do this - a lot of heavier breeds find it very hard to get airborn in the first place!

If you do need to clip a chicken's wings, you should use a pair of sharp scissors to clip about half to 2/3 off the length of the Primary Flight feathers. These are the last 10 feathers on the chickens wing. CLIP ONLY ONE WING. This throws the bird off balance and prevents flight. If you clip both wings, the bird may still be able to fly by simply flapping harder. This is a temporary solution, because the feathers will grow back at the next molt, which may be a few months for young birds or up to one year for older ones.

A potential problem is that clipping these feathers may make them harder for the bird to shed during a molt, requiring your help.

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Hatching chicks in an incubator...


posted by Neil, 14 March 2008, 11:56am

We didn't realise quite how much hard work it was to do this as previously we'd been lucky enough to have a broody hen to do all the work for us! It is quite an undertaking (especially if you have to manually turn the eggs) but hopefully it's worth the effort!

To hatch hen eggs, you'll need to provide three things: the correct temperature, the right humidity, and also turning of the eggs. And you'll need to do this for 21 days as that's how long it takes for a chick to grow and hatch!

An incubator is usually an insulated container with a heater and water trenches which you fill to the correct level to provide the right humidity level - there is usually a vent that you can open and close to alter the humidity too.

The correct temperature for hen's eggs is 38°c, although slightly below or above should be ok, you should try and get it as near as possible, as it can cause deformities and death if it's too far from the ideal temp.

Most incubators have a thermometer built in so you can fine-tune the temperature to the exact one you need. Remember to give the incubator a few hours to get up to temp when first turning it on, and leave it a while before re-checking the temp after you adjust it for it to settle down.

The humidity is harder to keep an eye on, unless you have the correct (and expensive) measurement tools, or precise weighing scales which you can measure weight loss in the egg, you have to go by "rules of thumb" - in the incubator we are using (a Brinsea), there are two water channels, and for hen's eggs you only fill one of the water channels, and set the air vent to half-open.

Turning the eggs is very important and many incubators do this automatically. If yours doesn't, then you need to turn them at least 3 times a day, although you can do it 5 times if feasible. You turn them an odd number of times so that they don't sit the same way each night.

A couple of days before the eggs are due to hatch, stop turning the eggs (the chicks need to get into the right position to hatch!), and increase humidity by filling both channels with water and close the vent to allow maximum humidity to aid hatching.

Once you hit day 21, don't panic if nothing hatches yet - if your temperatures are slightly out it can mean your eggs hatch earlier or later than they should.

You leave your newly hatched chicks in the incubator for a day or two to fully dry out after they hatch, then transfer them to your brooder box (a container with a heat lamp) - they'll huddle under the lamp if too cold and away from it if they're too hot... Start them on 'chick crumb' and before you know it they'll be growing real feathers! You 'wean' them off the heat lamp by gradually moving it further away from the brooder every day until the growing chicks are hardy.

It's a lot easier to get a friendly hen to do all the hatching and nurturing for you!

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Broody hens and hatching chicks from eggs


posted by Neil, 23 June 2007, 9:09pm

Hens are amazing little feather things - when they go broody, they provide the perfect temperature and humidity controlled environment to ensure that the chicks develop and hatch perfectly. Without a broody hen, we have to use incubators and turn eggs at least three times a day, use heaters to maintain the exact correct temperature, and add water or damp sponges to the incubator as well as opening and closing vents to ensure the optimum humidity, otherwise the chicks will not develop properly and will die in a matter of hours.

You can tell your hen is broody when:

  • She sat for hours in the nest box, only venturing out for a few minutes each day to eat, drink and poo
  • When you tried to move her, she would make soft clucking "broody" noises, or shrill warning growls
  • When one of the other hens laid an egg in the nest box, she would scoop it under her to try and hatch it!
  • She runs a fever (to keep the eggs at the correct temperature of 38°c) - perfect conditions for chick development

Before you put your eggs under your broody hen, mark them with a pencil (do NOT use toxic markers!) with a cross on one side, and a circle on the other. That way you can tell if your broody hen is turning the eggs properly (they do this by instinct naturally so don't worry about it too much).

Incidentally, if your eggs have been delivered by the postal service, leave them to settle for a day or so before putting them in your incubator or under your broody hen.

If you aren't lucky enough to have a broody hen, then you can also use an incubator - a device to keep eggs warm and at the right humidity (wetness in the air) to incubate and hatch eggs successfully.

As with all things, nothing is guaranteed and the phrase "Don't count your chickens before they hatch" is true in every sense - sometimes a batch of eggs won't hatch even though all the conditions were perfect. All you can do is learn from your mistakes, and try again.

We wish you lots of luck and fuzzy bundles of joy soon!
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do I need to give my hens oyster grit?


posted by Scarlet, 1 March 2006 22:54

Chickens need to eat grit to help digest their food. The grit helps grind down the food the hens eat because as everyone knows, chickens don't have teeth (hence the term "as rare as hens teeth"!) If your hens free-range then it's likely that they already get enough grit in their diet, though if they are contained you should provide some grit (it's often sold in pet shops as grit for pet birds or pigeons).

Hens also need enough calcium in their diet - they use calcium to form the shells on their eggs so if they calcium deficient you will get soft eggs, rubbery eggs or even eggs with no shell. You should provide oyster grit in their pen or put some in a small food bowl. This will help them lay hard-shelled eggs and is an essential part of their diet. Some all in one feeds such as certain layers-pellets will already contain a supplement of oyster grit, so it's worth checking.

You should try and make sure your hens have fresh food and water available at all times, and they often like to go to bed with a full crop! You can leave their food out overnight but remember it may attract vermin such as mice, rats and slugs, so depending on your circumstances you might have to act accordingly.

With the right care and attention, chickens can live to be fifteen years old, although the average life span is five to eight years old, depending on their weight and breed. They will lay eggs well for the first two years and then for the rest of their lives you will probably get an egg every so often, but they'll continue to make great pets!

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why are my chickens pecking each other?


posted by Scarlet, 17 January 2006 23:38

It can be upsetting for an owner if they think their chickens are fighting or are unhappy, however sometimes what looks like nasty behaviour can actually be mother nature's way of keeping the peace.

If you think about what it actually means, "pecking order" is a chickens way of ensuring the communal harmony of your flock, and helps prevent constant fights to be "top dog".

Depending on whether you have just hens, or hens and cocks, there are three distinct pecking orders that may need to be established - one for the hens, one for the roosters, and one for the hens and roosters.

Once the pecking order has been established (and the establishing bit is where you will see chickens picking on other chickens), they should then live together very happily, unless something disrupts the pecking order. Common causes are overcrowding and adding new birds. Always try and make sure your lower ranking birds have somewhere to run and escape to and they should sort themselves out with the minimum of fuss.

You only need to worry if the chicken at the bottom of the pecking order is being seriously deprived of food and water or seriously pecked and wounded. This, however, is rare, and usually settles down within a few weeks, so wait at least fourteen days before taking any action (unless the chicken is being hurt).

If the chicken is having real problems getting to the food or water then try adding more food bowls to the coop (or wherever they spend most their time). Add enough food bowls so there is one food bowl and one water bowl for every two birds, and two bowls (two food bowls and two water containers) if there are three chickens. This way, the runty chicken will be able to run from one food bowl to another without being scolded too much!

If the chicken is being physically hurt then it will need seperating until it is fully healed: divide the coop with mesh so the chickens can see each other but can't physically touch each other. After leaving them like this for one week, try taking away the mesh and seeing what happens. Make sure you are there for when they are re-introduced. If, on their first visit, the chicken attacks the other chicken, pick them both up and hold them so they are facing each other. Seperate them again but, every day, hold them face to face and put them in a strange place (eg. in a room in the house) for perhaps half an hour a day.

However, if one chicken is still behaving aggressively to the other, then it will either have to fend for itself or you will have to release it to another family :-(

When you introduce a new chicken to the flock, especially if it's younger than the others, then it will automatically be placed at the bottom of the pecking order (this happened to Milly). The new chicken will be pecked a few times, but leave the new chicken alone (unless it is injured). The aggressive behaviour may last longer when a new chicken is introduced, but nature usually sorts it out in the end.

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Chicken Cuddles!


posted by Scarlet, 1 March 2006 23:08

If you spend lots of time with your chickens then they will love to be picked up and cuddled.

They will enjoy falling asleep in your arms, watching TV on your lap, resting on your knee and burrying their faces in your hair or under your hood. My chickens have even groomed me by rubbing their beaks across my clothes and through my hair!!

If you are sat in the garden and a hen walks up, jumps onto your lap, settles down and falls contentedly asleep, then you know you have been accepted in the flock!

Chickens can learn their own names if repeated when you are interacting with them, for instance when you are stroking or carrying them. If a hens name is said enough it will make a connection between its name and itself. This can come in incredibly useful. My chicken Milly flew over my neighbour's wall the other day (she escaped when the coop door was left open by accident). She was merrily scratting round their garden. My dad had tried to reach her, but couldn't. He was all for going round and knocking on my neighbour's door when I went and called her name. I said, "Milly, come here! Come here Milly!", and, from about ten feet away, she came running to the wall as fast as she could and squawked at me, just looking up. I thought at first she couldn't fly up because the wall is about five foot high. I was just getting ready to climb down when she flew up straight into my arms and cuddled me!!

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Egg eating - a bad habbit (for chickens)


posted by Scarlet, 1 March 2006 23:13

Egg eating can happen for a number of different reasons:

  • The chicken is not getting enough grit in its diet so it is substituting grit for egg shells

  • The chicken is at the bottom of the pecking order and so is being deprived of food and so eating the eggs instead

  • It is too light in the compartment where the chickens lay their eggs, so they can see the eggs and are eating them


How to stop egg eating:
  • Make sure the chickens are getting enough grit

  • Add more food bowls so the chickens are definately getting enough food, no matter where they stand in the pecking order

  • If it is too light in the laying compartment cut some black material into strips and hang it above the entrance of the compartment so there is less light

Other people have suggested pricking an egg and letting the runny insides empty out, then filling it with something spicy and the chicken will not eat it; although others have said it doesn't work as hens taste buds are different to humans.

People have also suggested culling the bird, but this is a rather extreme measure!
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Bird brained?


posted by Scarlet, 1 March 2006 23:16

Many people believe that the term 'bird brained' is an insult, because chickens and other birds are stupid. Scientist, however, have proven that chickens have the comparable intelligence of a 3 year old human child. They are equally as intelligent as most primates, and more intelligent than cats and dogs. People are now realising the hidden intelligence behind chickens...

It has been discovered that chickens have over 30 different 'noises'. They have a specific danger call, and then 3 more descriptive danger calls to say whether the predator is on land, in the air or on water.

Chickens can recognise and differentiate from up to a 100 chickens - no small feat when you think how similar they often look! They recognise their fellow flock members by facial features, much the same as how we recognise our friends.

It has also been discovered that chickens know an object is still there when it has been buried, which is more intelligent than a two year old human child.

As part of an experiment, scientists dyed half of the corn fed to a flock of chickens red, and added a chemical to make the chickens ill. The chickens quickly realised that it was the red corn making them ill, and when they gave birth they guided the offspring away from the red corn and back to the naturally coloured corn. The offspring then gave birth to a new generation and they, too, guided their children away from the red corn. So next time somebody calls you bird-brained, take it as the complement it is!

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